{"id":17961,"date":"2025-08-19T12:24:38","date_gmt":"2025-08-19T17:24:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/?p=17961"},"modified":"2026-02-23T15:09:42","modified_gmt":"2026-02-23T20:09:42","slug":"de-gustibus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/blog\/de-gustibus\/","title":{"rendered":"De gustibus non est disputandum"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><figure id=\"attachment_18276\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-18276\" style=\"width: 250px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-18276\" src=\"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250819_fabio.jpg\" alt=\"Painting of a very scantily clad muscular man with long black hair, and in front of him a busty but more modestly clad woman with red hair.\" width=\"250\" height=\"351\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-18276\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><br \/>\nThe Clinch\u2122, starring Fabio and whoever the girl is, I don&#8217;t know.<\/figcaption><\/figure>Genre romance gets a lot of shit: \u201clady porn,\u201d \u201ccliterature,\u201d<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-1'><a href='#fn-17961-1' rel='footnote'>1<\/a><\/sup> \u201cbeanflickers,\u201d and garners complaints such as \u201cporn for men is reviled because it\u2019s visual while porn for women is celebrated because reading.\u201d These epithets are applied liberally by men and women, no effort to differentiate subgenres is made, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/anwhitebooks.com\/romance-vs-love-stories-whats-the-difference\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">love stories are confused with genre romance<\/a><\/em>,<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-2'><a href='#fn-17961-2' rel='footnote'>2<\/a><\/sup> and to non-romance readers, <em>romance<\/em> is just code for <em>erotica<\/em>, even if there\u2019s no sex in it at all.<\/p>\n<p>While that is <em>true<\/em>, in general, women\u2019s art is seen with some disdain regardless of what it is, how well it\u2019s done, or in what cultural\/societal conditions it\u2019s made, I\u2019ll save you the feminist rant. For now. You\u2019re welcome.<!--more--><\/p>\n<p>Complaints about genre romance are generally phrased as \u201cromance is trash,\u201d not \u201cI don\u2019t like romance because I think it\u2019s trash.\u201d I\u2019m told these two different phrasings make a significant difference in reaction to some people, but come on. We all know they\u2019re exactly alike.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-3'><a href='#fn-17961-3' rel='footnote'>3<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_18275\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-18275\" style=\"width: 400px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\" wp-image-18275\" src=\"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/08\/20250819_bvallejo0.jpg\" alt=\"Painting of a very scantily clad muscular, ideal man and scantily clad muscular but curvy, ideal female fighting a four-armed gorilla.\" width=\"400\" height=\"300\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-18275\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Because these people are in no way idealized, sexualized, hyper-masculine, or hyper-feminine.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>While these complaints prick my soul a little, they\u2019re valid. I\u2019m not even going to get into the male wish-fulfillment fantasies of pulp novels and comic books: <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Spy_fiction\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">spycraft<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Zane_Grey\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">cowboys<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Space_opera\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">space captains<\/a>, superheroes, anything sporting a Boris Vallejo cover, and sportsball,<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-4'><a href='#fn-17961-4' rel='footnote'>4<\/a><\/sup> because a good half<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-5'><a href='#fn-17961-5' rel='footnote'>5<\/a><\/sup> of what\u2019s <em>classified as<\/em><sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-6'><a href='#fn-17961-6' rel='footnote'>6<\/a><\/sup> romance is objectively trash.<\/p>\n<p>Now, I\u2019ve tried to write straight-up smut because that\u2019s where the money is and rent\u2019s gotta get paid. The two people who read it said I\u2019d done it very well, had my usual depth, and was very distinctly my voice. It was, in fact, some of my best work, and there\u2019s some measure of very smart, intellectual erotica out there. But it made me feel oogey, and if my own smut could make <em>me<\/em> oogey when I was 45 and as horny as a 17-year-old boy, it\u2019s bad. So I tucked that away in my external hard drive, never to be seen again.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-7'><a href='#fn-17961-7' rel='footnote'>7<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p>I even tried to write a <em>clean<\/em> (no sex) <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Harem_(genre)#%22Reverse%22\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">reverse harem<\/a> book, because that\u2019s a popular subsubgenre (\u201cclean\u201d or \u201cwholesome\u201d is its own thing), but the concept made me feel oogey for an <em>entirely<\/em> different reason.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-8'><a href='#fn-17961-8' rel='footnote'>8<\/a><\/sup><\/p>\n<p>De gustibus non est disputandum, sure, but objective truth can be applied to some of it:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"post\">\n<li class=\"post\">short<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">minimal plot<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">no characterization<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">graphic, <em>unusual<\/em> sex is its raison d\u2019\u00eatre<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">badly put together because speed is the priority<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">many published in a quick timeframe<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">may or may not cause problems akin to other addiction problems<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">may or may not be used as a replacement for real-life sex<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>They don\u2019t have to be art. They just have to make money. People who read a lot<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-9'><a href='#fn-17961-9' rel='footnote'>9<\/a><\/sup> will devour their favorite genres and tropes, and go looking for more like it\u2019s meth. Dinosaur erotica obviously must have a wide audience, but nobody\u2019s \u2019fessing up to reading them, much less fangirling over them outside niche fora.<\/p>\n<p>Then there\u2019s <em>Twilight<\/em> and <em>Fifty Shades of Grey<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>These are hotly debated, denigrated, and defended, but, I would argue, somewhere in the middle of trash and not-trash.<\/p>\n<p>I don\u2019t know what\u2019s special about these books, what sparked such devotion to them. I always say people choose a book for its <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/TV_Tropes\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">trope<\/a> (to be addressed in a later post) first and summary second, but they re-read an author for his\/her voice, so I have to presume that other than the <em>trope<\/em>, something about the way Stephenie Meyer and E.L. James strung the words together spoke to them.<\/p>\n<p>Or maybe it was the sex. I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p>Disclaimer: I have not read any of these books except the first <em>Twilight<\/em> book, which I thought was an entertaining popcorn read, but didn\u2019t spur me to read the rest.<\/p>\n<p>Not-trash:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"post\">\n<li class=\"post\">long, saga-like<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">some characterization, with plausible motivations<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">decent construction<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">thought and care put into it, even if the author wasn\u2019t terribly skilled at it<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Trash:<\/p>\n<ul class=\"post\">\n<li class=\"post\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.quickanddirtytips.com\/articles\/what-is-a-cipher\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">cipher<\/a> heroine<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-10'><a href='#fn-17961-10' rel='footnote'>10<\/a><\/sup><\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">plot is to serve the sex<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-11'><a href='#fn-17961-11' rel='footnote'>11<\/a><\/sup><\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">sex isn\u2019t very well written (so I\u2019ve heard)<\/li>\n<li class=\"post\">caused minor to severe real-world problems akin to other addiction problems<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Beyond technical and societal issues, I can\u2019t speak to its non\/trashiness because see above <em>de gustibus non est disputandum<\/em>, or, in more recent parlance, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/I_know_it_when_I_see_it\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">I know it when I see it<\/a>.\u201d Even this entire post could be classed as preference, simping, and apologetics, but whatever. I know what I like, and dinosaur erotica is not it.<\/p>\n<p>Although I consider myself a romance author,<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-12'><a href='#fn-17961-12' rel='footnote'>12<\/a><\/sup> other people don\u2019t.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-13'><a href='#fn-17961-13' rel='footnote'>13<\/a><\/sup> However, there are a lot of people find romance contemptuous, are loud about it, and it bothers me that I\u2019ve lumped myself in with the stuff I don\u2019t write, don\u2019t like, and don\u2019t respect.<\/p>\n<p>Long ago, I started telling people I write soap operas, which got the point across (\u201cYeah, there\u2019s probably sex in it, but it\u2019s a long story with lots of drama.\u201d<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-17961-14'><a href='#fn-17961-14' rel='footnote'>14<\/a><\/sup>), but that stopped working as soon as I said it to a twenty-something valet when he asked what I do, and he said, \u201cWhat\u2019s a soap opera?\u201d Eh, people don\u2019t respect those, either.<\/p>\n<p>What am I looking for here, though? What is the point of this post?<\/p>\n<p>Hell if I know.<\/p>\n<div class=\"footnotes\">\n<p class=\"footnoteline\">______________________________<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-1'><a href='#fnref-17961-1'>1<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That\u2019s funny and clever.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-2'><a href='#fnref-17961-2'>2<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Nicholas Sparks does <em>not<\/em> write romance. He writes <em>love stories<\/em>. <em>Genre romance<\/em> has one defining characteristic: It <em>must<\/em> have a happily-ever-after (although a happily-for-now will do). It\u2019s arguable that it has another: <em>no infidelity<\/em> once the main couple is together. <em>Love stories<\/em> can have an element that genre romance cannot, by definition, have: a sad ending. Infidelity is often a plot point.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-3'><a href='#fnref-17961-3'>3<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;A family member was very unhappy with my plan to be polite to an individual doing something I didn\u2019t like. He thought that would be wrong because <em>he<\/em> would know I\u2019m just being polite and therefore, it would be insincere, ungenuine, and performative. Dude. <em>All<\/em> politeness is performative <em>by definition<\/em>. Don\u2019t try to split that hair with me. If you agreed with me, you\u2019d be sitting here making catty remarks right along with me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-4'><a href='#fnref-17961-4'>4<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If you think being slavishly devoted to sports teams and claiming that \u201cwe\u201d won isn\u2019t different from reading romance novels, you haven\u2019t thought about it long enough.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-5'><a href='#fnref-17961-5'>5<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If not 80%. Pareto has a principle for a reason.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-6'><a href='#fnref-17961-6'>6<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.bisg.org\/BISAC-Subject-Codes-main\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">BISAC codes<\/a> and shelving.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-7'><a href='#fnref-17961-7'>7<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I stopped throwing my work out when I was twenty. I don\u2019t care if I am ashamed of it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-8'><a href='#fnref-17961-8'>8<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No man is attractive if he\u2019s willing to share a woman with another man or seven, no matter how much he hates it and is compelled because the heroine is <em>that<\/em> Special\u2122 or is cool with it.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-9'><a href='#fnref-17961-9'>9<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Genre romance is the number one money-making genre in publishing. In fact, one could argue that it holds up the entirety of publishing. However, the demographic for this is very specific: middle-aged white women who are simply voracious readers and our preferred genre is romance. We were young white women once upon a time, but we\u2019re compelled to read like we\u2019re compelled to breathe. Most of us will read <em>anything<\/em> if our preferred genre isn\u2019t available.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-10'><a href='#fnref-17961-10'>10<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;I did defend the <a href=\"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/blog\/placeholder-heroine\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">placeholder heroine<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-11'><a href='#fnref-17961-11'>11<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;There was lots of sex in <em>Twilight<\/em>. If you missed it, you\u2019re blessed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-12'><a href='#fnref-17961-12'>12<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;I\u2019ve always said I want to be the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Tom_Wolfe\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Tom Wolfe<\/a> of romance. Whether I am or ever will be, I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-13'><a href='#fnref-17961-13'>13<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;I have a very large male readership. In the words of one, \u201cWhy aren\u2019t you famous?\u201d I don\u2019t know, MikeS. I just really don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p class=\"footnote\"><span class='footnote' id='fn-17961-14'><a href='#fnref-17961-14'>14<\/a>.<\/span>&nbsp;&nbsp;My fictional babies don\u2019t age twenty years in a week.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Genre romance gets a lot of shit: \u201clady porn,\u201d \u201ccliterature,\u201d1 \u201cbeanflickers,\u201d and garners complaints such as \u201cporn for men is reviled because it\u2019s visual while porn for women is celebrated because reading.\u201d These epithets are applied liberally by men and women, no effort to differentiate subgenres is made, love stories are confused with genre romance,2 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[584,560,539,476,540],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-17961","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-culture","category-erotica","category-genres","category-musings","category-romance"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17961"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=17961"}],"version-history":[{"count":15,"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17961\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":23816,"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/17961\/revisions\/23816"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=17961"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=17961"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=17961"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}