{"id":141,"date":"2008-10-03T11:52:43","date_gmt":"2008-10-03T16:52:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/mojo\/?p=141"},"modified":"2025-07-26T16:30:43","modified_gmt":"2025-07-26T21:30:43","slug":"abolish-marriage","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/moriahjovan.com\/talesofdunham\/blog\/abolish-marriage\/","title":{"rendered":"Abolish marriage"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cMarriage\u201d is an ancient artificial construct that, in modern US society with no property rights attached to the female (i.e., dowry), has no real place.<\/p>\n<p>As I said on chosha\u2019s blog <a href=\"https:\/\/eastofreality.blogspot.com\/2008\/09\/from-recent-comment-p.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">A Little East of Reality<\/a>, what\u2019s going on with <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/California_Proposition_8_(2008)\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">California\u2019s Prop 8<\/a> and the LDS church\u2019s involvement with that, is one of defining the term.  What needs to happen is that the underpinning law defining the term needs to change and then let linguistic evolution take over as to what is and is not marriage.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s what needs to happen:<\/p>\n<p>You and your intended(s) go to a lawyer and draw up a contract (people already to this for prenuptial agreements).  You specify things like kids, power of attorney, healthcare decisionmaking, who does and does not have access to your healthcare information (thank you, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.hhs.gov\/ocr\/hipaa\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">HIPAA<\/a>), and other things that heterosexual couples just \u2026 get \u2026 legally because they\u2019re married as defined by law.  In this case, the contract becomes the law.  The lawyer files it with the court (like a divorce decree, only it\u2019d be called something else like, oh, a companionship contract), the state collects its data, and everybody\u2019s good to go.<\/p>\n<p>If you and your intended(s) then want to go to your local ecclesiastical entity (whatever it is) and have a rite performed, you do that.  Or don\u2019t, if you don\u2019t want to.<\/p>\n<p>Or \u2026 do none of the above and after X number of years, you\u2019ve converted from cohabitating to common-law \u201cmarriage&#8221; and that could apply to whatever living arrangement you have.<\/p>\n<p>Here\u2019s the thing.  You change the labels and the populace will decide what marriage is based on their vocabulary.<\/p>\n<p>Since I\u2019m a libertarian, I have no investment in regulating what people do with their bodies as long as it doesn\u2019t endanger me and mine.<\/p>\n<p>I also have no investment in helping the church attempt to define \u201cmarriage&#8221; in California (although thankfully I haven\u2019t been asked because then I\u2019d be forced to be rude) because marriage has historically been about money and alliances.<\/p>\n<p>What I find hypocritical is that the people who are most invested in re-defining marriage to include same-sex couples then turn around and vehemently protest polyamorous unions, which should have the same protections under whatever law gets passed.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/www.slate.com\/id\/2138482\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">William Saletan goes to great lengths<\/a> to define why this should not be allowed and I find that simply ridiculous.  Two people know what they\u2019re doing, but three or more don\u2019t?  Let\u2019s protect you from yourselves!<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"normal\"><p>Here\u2019s the answer. The number isn\u2019t two. It\u2019s one. You commit to one person, and that person commits wholly to you. Second, the number isn\u2019t arbitrary. It\u2019s based on human nature. Specifically, on jealousy.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Ah, okay. There\u2019s a good argument.<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"normal\"><p>In an excellent <em>Weekly Standard<\/em> article against gay marriage and polygamy, Stanley Kurtz of the Hudson Institute discusses <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20081223232729\/http:\/\/www.weeklystandard.com\/Content\/Public\/Articles\/000\/000\/006\/494pqobc.asp\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">several recent polygamous unions<\/a>. In one case, \u201ctwo wives agreed to allow their husbands to establish a public and steady sexual relationship.\u201d Unfortunately, \u201cone of the wives remains uncomfortable with this arrangement,\u201d so \u201cthe story ends with at least the prospect of one marriage breaking up.\u201d In another case, \u201ctwo bisexual-leaning men meet a woman and create a threesome that produces two children, one by each man.\u201d Same result: \u201cthe trio\u2019s eventual breakup.\u201d<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Let\u2019s protect the women and children!<\/p>\n<p>Then he resorts to quoting the Bible, so he loses credibility with me right there.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019ve said it before and I\u2019ll say it again:  What\u2019s good for the homosexual goose is good for the polyamorous gander and I defy any same-sex couple to give me a decent argument why that isn\u2019t so \u2026<\/p>\n<p>\u2026 but that\u2019s not my main point.  My main point is this:  You make it a civil contract between consenting adults, then let society\u2019s usage of the word \u201cmarriage\u201d define the word \u201cmarriage.\u201d<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u201cMarriage\u201d is an ancient artificial construct that, in modern US society with no property rights attached to the female (i.e., dowry), has no real place. 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