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		By: MoJo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MoJo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for dropping by, Karlene!

&lt;blockquote&gt;you’re being as judgmental about the naivete of some readers, as they are about Mr. Woodbury’s intentions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I honestly don&#039;t know what it&#039;s a function of, but I can&#039;t fathom a person who doesn&#039;t get that connection.  I don&#039;t know anyone, in church or out, who hasn&#039;t had exposure to something vampiric.  Even Buffy? Really?  I&#039;m not trying to be sarcastic at the moment; I&#039;m having a hard time with there being &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;that many&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; people who haven&#039;t run across this.

Kate Woodbury, &lt;a href=&quot;http://moriahjovan.com/mojo/?p=56#comment-102&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in the other thread&lt;/a&gt;, said:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I had a BYU Creative Writing professor who said, “Well, sex and vampirism is kind of an automatic link”...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could this possibly be a function of regional differences?  Like Kate, I&#039;m loathe to play the &quot;we out here in the mission field&quot; card, but I am at a loss as to how this could be missed by so many LDS.

&lt;blockquote&gt;However in this particular case, I think the phrase, “As the two women push against every moral boundary…” should have been a big clue. My only question is, what part of “every” do you not understand?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And precisely!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for dropping by, Karlene!</p>
<blockquote><p>you’re being as judgmental about the naivete of some readers, as they are about Mr. Woodbury’s intentions.</p></blockquote>
<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know what it&#8217;s a function of, but I can&#8217;t fathom a person who doesn&#8217;t get that connection.  I don&#8217;t know anyone, in church or out, who hasn&#8217;t had exposure to something vampiric.  Even Buffy? Really?  I&#8217;m not trying to be sarcastic at the moment; I&#8217;m having a hard time with there being <i><b>that many</b></i> people who haven&#8217;t run across this.</p>
<p>Kate Woodbury, <a href="http://moriahjovan.com/mojo/?p=56#comment-102" rel="nofollow">in the other thread</a>, said:</p>
<blockquote><p>I had a BYU Creative Writing professor who said, “Well, sex and vampirism is kind of an automatic link”&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Could this possibly be a function of regional differences?  Like Kate, I&#8217;m loathe to play the &#8220;we out here in the mission field&#8221; card, but I am at a loss as to how this could be missed by so many LDS.</p>
<blockquote><p>However in this particular case, I think the phrase, “As the two women push against every moral boundary…” should have been a big clue. My only question is, what part of “every” do you not understand?</p></blockquote>
<p>And precisely!</p>
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		By: Karlene		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karlene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;And I do not for one second believe the “I didn’t know ‘vampire’ was code for ‘blameless female sexual expression and enjoyment,’” claim because unless you’re 7 and live under a rock, you can’t possibly be that naïve.&quot;

While I agree with a lot of what you&#039;ve said, I think this statement is a little bit harsh and you&#039;re being as judgmental about the naivete of some readers, as they are about Mr. Woodbury&#039;s intentions. I know plenty of people who&#039;ve had little exposure to classic vampire tales. And no, they honestly don&#039;t believe there is any subtext in Twilight. If you haven&#039;t been exposed to it or you haven&#039;t had it pointed out to you, you&#039;re not going to get it. 

However in this particular case, I think the phrase, &quot;As the two women push against every moral boundary...&quot; should have been a big clue. My only question is, what part of &quot;every&quot; do you not understand?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And I do not for one second believe the “I didn’t know ‘vampire’ was code for ‘blameless female sexual expression and enjoyment,’” claim because unless you’re 7 and live under a rock, you can’t possibly be that naïve.&#8221;</p>
<p>While I agree with a lot of what you&#8217;ve said, I think this statement is a little bit harsh and you&#8217;re being as judgmental about the naivete of some readers, as they are about Mr. Woodbury&#8217;s intentions. I know plenty of people who&#8217;ve had little exposure to classic vampire tales. And no, they honestly don&#8217;t believe there is any subtext in Twilight. If you haven&#8217;t been exposed to it or you haven&#8217;t had it pointed out to you, you&#8217;re not going to get it. </p>
<p>However in this particular case, I think the phrase, &#8220;As the two women push against every moral boundary&#8230;&#8221; should have been a big clue. My only question is, what part of &#8220;every&#8221; do you not understand?</p>
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		By: MoJo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MoJo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;a normal grocery store or a Wal-Mart without having supernatural romance novels jump off the shelves at you.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Goodness yes.  I stopped seeking paranormal anything after, oh, you know, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vampire_Chronicles&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Lestat&lt;/a&gt;. In, you know, 1994.  :D  Doesn&#039;t mean I won&#039;t read something interesting, but the current &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;urban fantasy&lt;/a&gt; thing doesn&#039;t interest me the way it would have, say, 10 years ago.

Right now I like my romance contemporary sans supernatural and/or &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_romance&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dressed up in costumes and plopped down somewhere in the world before 1900&lt;/a&gt;.

While I&#039;m bored with the &lt;i&gt;controversy itself&lt;/i&gt;, I do think it would serve the LDS fiction community well to use this to define its terms and, furthermore, define them on the already-existing consumer&#039;s expectations.  Whether Deseret Book set those expectations or fulfilled them is, at this point, moot. The expectation has been created, as evidenced in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Angel-Falling-Softly-Eugene-Woodbury/dp/0978797167/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1217203709&#038;sr=8-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; review of the book on Amazon. She read the bio and automatically assumed stuff about the book.  That&#039;s on her, but I think it&#039;s important to remember this in the future for marketing purposes.

Let&#039;s get a solution out of this, folks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>a normal grocery store or a Wal-Mart without having supernatural romance novels jump off the shelves at you.</p></blockquote>
<p>Goodness yes.  I stopped seeking paranormal anything after, oh, you know, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Vampire_Chronicles" rel="nofollow">Lestat</a>. In, you know, 1994.  😀  Doesn&#8217;t mean I won&#8217;t read something interesting, but the current <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_fantasy" rel="nofollow">urban fantasy</a> thing doesn&#8217;t interest me the way it would have, say, 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Right now I like my romance contemporary sans supernatural and/or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_romance" rel="nofollow">dressed up in costumes and plopped down somewhere in the world before 1900</a>.</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m bored with the <i>controversy itself</i>, I do think it would serve the LDS fiction community well to use this to define its terms and, furthermore, define them on the already-existing consumer&#8217;s expectations.  Whether Deseret Book set those expectations or fulfilled them is, at this point, moot. The expectation has been created, as evidenced in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Angel-Falling-Softly-Eugene-Woodbury/dp/0978797167/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1217203709&amp;sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">this</a> review of the book on Amazon. She read the bio and automatically assumed stuff about the book.  That&#8217;s on her, but I think it&#8217;s important to remember this in the future for marketing purposes.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s get a solution out of this, folks.</p>
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		By: Stephen M (ethesis)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen M (ethesis)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;Just because it is CONSUMER-defined as opposed to SUPPLIER-defined makes no difference to me.&lt;/b&gt;

Good point.  Wouldn&#039;t hurt at all for the definitions to be better and tighter.

Though you can&#039;t walk through a normal grocery store or a Wal-Mart without having supernatural romance novels jump off the shelves at you.

Thugh a lot of it has to do with expectations and paying money, not to mention I&#039;ve gotten two e-mails from the publisher pushing the controversy.  

I&#039;d say there is a lot there to think about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Just because it is CONSUMER-defined as opposed to SUPPLIER-defined makes no difference to me.</b></p>
<p>Good point.  Wouldn&#8217;t hurt at all for the definitions to be better and tighter.</p>
<p>Though you can&#8217;t walk through a normal grocery store or a Wal-Mart without having supernatural romance novels jump off the shelves at you.</p>
<p>Thugh a lot of it has to do with expectations and paying money, not to mention I&#8217;ve gotten two e-mails from the publisher pushing the controversy.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say there is a lot there to think about.</p>
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