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		<title>How to start a war, part 2</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2025 17:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part 1. Can we stipulate that people die? In any negotiation, one must define one&#8217;s terms. The day after Bros #1 &#38; #2, Paul and Nick, went to visit Aunts Susie and Millie, which reception was hostile to begin with, to ask about liquidating Mom&#8217;s portion of the house, and got a very hostile response, [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-36389581"><figure id="attachment_22552" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-22552" style="width: 500px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-22552" src="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/20251211_deathphotos.jpg" alt="A tintype of 5 children, at least one of whom is dead." width="500" height="281"><figcaption id="caption-attachment-22552" class="wp-caption-text">“Taken from life: The unsettling art of death photography” —BBC June 5, 2016</figcaption></figure></a></p>
<p><a href="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/blog/war-part1/">Part 1</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Can we stipulate that people die?</p></blockquote>
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<p>In any negotiation, one must define one&#8217;s terms. The day after Bros #1 &amp; #2, Paul and Nick, went to visit Aunts Susie and Millie, which reception was hostile to begin with, to ask about <em>liquidating Mom&#8217;s portion of the house</em>, and got a very hostile response, then left in a state of gasted flabbers, we tried again.</p>
<p>This time it involved a phone, Nick, me, and Mom in a hospital room. We called. Nick was doing the talking, and he asked the profound question and current familial meme that should be the first go-to in any situation where one is tempted to prolong the suffering of a loved one (including animals) because <em>you</em> can&#8217;t let go and you&#8217;re just that fucking selfish. Yes. Yes, you are.</p>
<blockquote><p>Can we stipulate that people die?</p></blockquote>
<p>It took them way too long to answer that question, which, for a 79-year-old and an 83-year-old, is pretty damned weird. It also creates a philosophical/theological quandary:</p>
<p>If you believe in a loving God and a pretty awesome afterlife even <em>before</em> Judgment Day, why are you afraid of dying?</p>
<p>Do you not believe what you profess to believe?</p>
<p>Where is your faith?</p>
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		<title>“Twice.”</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2025 21:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&#160; “I am in my prime. Professionally. Financially. Intellectually. Not sexually. All things considered, my sexual prime came in the back of a 1970 Nova and went out the door of a judge’s office three months later.” I crack me up. I really do. Yesterday, I randomly tweeted the above out of one of my [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<blockquote><p>“I am in my prime. Professionally. Financially. Intellectually. Not sexually. All things considered, my sexual prime came in the back of a 1970 Nova and went out the door of a judge’s office three months later.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I crack me up. I really do. Yesterday, I randomly tweeted the above out of one of my books that I thought was one of my better lines. That’s Finn Marston,<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-1'><a href='#fn-18564-1' rel='footnote'>1</a></sup> from <a href="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/thebooks/lionsshare/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em>Lion’s Share</em></a> narrating the circumstances of his shotgun wedding at 19.</p>
<p>That’s funny (yes, it is; fight me), but the <em>real</em> story is in <em>Lion’s Share</em>’s opening line.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-2'><a href='#fn-18564-2' rel='footnote'>2</a></sup><span id="more-18564"></span></p>
<p><img decoding="async" class="size-full wp-image-18569 aligncenter" src="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/20250903_slippedin.jpg" alt="&quot;It just slipped in.&quot;" width="366" height="61"></p>
<p>In 1998 (I think) my mom, brother, and I set out on a road trip to Salt Lake. I cannot, for the life of me, remember why. I stayed in Provo with an internet friend, who was getting divorced from her asshole ex-husband, and her two single-digit kids. She was broke, her soon-to-be-ex wasn’t paying child support, and she didn’t have a job so she was on assistance. We had a couple of late-night heart-to-hearts. She had re-dedicated her life to Jesus, in non-Mormon evangelical Christian parlance. She was going to church, paying tithing (on her meager income), and had just <a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/what-is-temple-endowment?lang=eng" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">gone to the temple to take out her endowment</a> (fornication and adultery are verboten). She was wearing her <a href="https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/temples/temple-garment-faq?lang=eng" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">garments</a> appropriately and faithfully. She was focused, determined, locked in.</p>
<p>Fast forward a year or so. We were in a Mormon singles chatroom, and we were in DMs, chatting about her life. She was still broke. Ex still wasn’t paying child support. She was doing well with church and she was dripping with new zealotry.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-3'><a href='#fn-18564-3' rel='footnote'>3</a></sup></p>
<p>I had noticed that in the general chat, she was flirting with this guy from a state somewhere far northeast of Utah.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-4'><a href='#fn-18564-4' rel='footnote'>4</a></sup> I remembered his deets,<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-5'><a href='#fn-18564-5' rel='footnote'>5</a></sup> and as far as I could tell, he was a very nice, decent, hard-working, spiritually upright fellow who loved his kids. Said his ex cheated.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-6'><a href='#fn-18564-6' rel='footnote'>6</a></sup> There were no warning bells as to his person. However, there were some warning bells as to how life with him would be:</p>
<ul class="post">
<li class="post">divorced</li>
<li class="post">paying a shit-ton of child support</li>
<li class="post">lived in a broken-down mobile home in a broken-down mobile home park in a broken-down small town (bonus points for honesty!)</li>
<li class="post">didn’t have a job</li>
<li class="post">didn’t have a trade, marketable skill, or defining occupation</li>
</ul>
<p>Keep in mind: You don’t go to any chat room looking for a sugar daddy. Men with money aren’t there, they don’t want women over thirty and/or divorcées with eight kids, and moneyed Mormon men aren’t single anyway.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-7'><a href='#fn-18564-7' rel='footnote'>7</a></sup> I didn’t care what anybody else’s motives were, but <em>mine</em> was to find a nice, decent guy to marry and have children with.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-8'><a href='#fn-18564-8' rel='footnote'>8</a></sup></p>
<p>So she was chatting with this nice (I’m sure) gentleman, and I asked her very delicately WTF she was doing talking to a down-and-out dude when she was <em>also</em> down and out.</p>
<p>“He’s nice.”</p>
<p>That was a plus, but I thought she should be looking for someone a tidge more solid. Say what you want about a woman’s material target-seeking, but love does <em>not</em> conquer all, especially at the beginning when you’re thirty-five, broke, and have at least four kids between you.</p>
<p>I left her alone about it because it was not my business and she was a big girl and she was going to do whatever she wanted to do regardless of any wisdom I might throw her way. Free advice is almost always worth what you pay for it.</p>
<p>Over the next few weeks, she regaled me with the wonderful gestures this dude made. She was in <em>luuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuv</em>. <em>Nobody</em> saw <em>that</em> coming, nosirreebob.</p>
<p>Then one day, in the general chat, this happened:</p>
<div class="top20">
<div class="center"><strong>WE’RE GETTING MARRIED!</strong></div>
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<p>Well, that was alarming. I immediately opened DMs.</p>
<div class="top20">
<div class="lr5">
<strong>Me:</strong> Um … you’ve got 2 kids. He’s paying child support and he has no marketable skills and has a two-bedroom shack.</p>
<p><strong>Her:</strong> BUT WE LOVE EACH OTHER!!!
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<p>Oh boy.</p>
<p>The plan: She would fly to his state with her kids, who would effectively be their chaperone. They would meet in a hotel by the airport, as it was some distance away from his home. They would have 2 hotel rooms, one for him (I can’t remember if he brought his kids), and one for her and her kids.</p>
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<div class="lr5">
<strong>Me:</strong> Whatever you do, don’t fuck him.<sup class='footnote' id='fnref-18564-9'><a href='#fn-18564-9' rel='footnote'>9</a></sup></p>
<p><strong>Her:</strong> Oh definitely not! I’ve been to the temple now.
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<p>Uh huh.</p>
<div class="top20">
<div class="lr5">
<strong>Me:</strong> You never know. And the last thing you need is another kid.</p>
<p><strong>Her:</strong> No, we have promised to save that for marriage.
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<p>Ooooookay.</p>
<p>So she and her kids got there. He’d filled her room with balloons and flowers and just all-around romantic goodness. Normal getting-to-know-you IRL-post-internet stuff ensued … for about 1/2 hour. The kids got put in the other hotel room so they could make out. That was all it was. All clothes on, everything above the neck. I nodded approvingly.</p>
<p>“But then it just slipped in.”</p>
<p>… … … “BECKY! THE FUCK?!”</p>
<p>“Twice.”</p>
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<div class="center">•&nbsp;&nbsp;•&nbsp;&nbsp;•</div>
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<p>I waited for <em>years</em> to be able to use that line in a story, but it never fit. Then one day I had a dream about a widow getting together with her widowed-father-in-law-turned-BFF, woke up, said (out loud) “Oh, that’s an interesting idea,” forgot about it, went about my day, which included a stop at <a href="https://www.younghouselove.com/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Young House Love</a> DIY blog, and an idea was born.</p>
<p>And fuck me if I wasn’t going to start that out with</p>
<div class="top20">
<div class="center">It just slipped in.<br />
Twice.</div>
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<p class="footnoteline">______________________________</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-1'><a href='#fnref-18564-1'>1</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Readers of <em>The Proviso (Director’s Cut)</em> won’t remember this, but Finn makes an appearance very close to the end.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-2'><a href='#fnref-18564-2'>2</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Apologies, my friend. I’ve been hesitating posting this for almost 20 years, but you cannot possibly know how much this has delighted me and my husband. Yes, we’re laughing at you, but it’s with great affection. You helped spawn a story of grief, loss, conspiracy, love, loving, and a twist on the late-husband’s-dirty-little-secret trope.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-3'><a href='#fnref-18564-3'>3</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;New zealots of anything are the worst. Jesus, veganism, Cross Fit, colon cleanses. Doesn’t matter.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-4'><a href='#fnref-18564-4'>4</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;No, I’m not going to say which one, although I do remember it clearly.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-5'><a href='#fnref-18564-5'>5</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don’t bother trying to remember things about internet people. I make a database. Yes, you <em>are</em> on a list. I’m not stalking you. I’m trying to remember you so you won’t think I’ve completely forgotten you. Because I would have. Without the spreadsheet.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-6'><a href='#fnref-18564-6'>6</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;You always have to take this with a grain of salt. It might be true. It might not be. It’s probably some blend, but you know what they say. There are three sides to every story: Yours, mine, and the truth.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-7'><a href='#fnref-18564-7'>7</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Moneyed Mormon men have been married since they got off their mission, their wives put them through law school or business school (while also having enough kids to do a <em>Family Feud</em> episode), and they’re in a courtroom or boardroom somewhere displaying the only rampant male aggression that is socially acceptable in Mormon culture. They have money <em>because</em> they’re married.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-8'><a href='#fnref-18564-8'>8</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Twenty-three years later, I can definitively say I did, indeed, find a nice, decent guy to marry and have children with.</p>
<p class="footnote"><span class='footnote' id='fn-18564-9'><a href='#fnref-18564-9'>9</a>.</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don’t advise abstinence out of religiosity. I advocate for any woman to develop a heightened sense of self-preservation.</p>
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		<title>We Were Gods</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Dec 2013 06:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Étienne’s ex-father-in-law: “I have faith in you, Étienne. You can fix anything. I would like to see my two favorite people together again. And building. You become gods when you build together.” Oui. Gods. They most certainly had been. Once. WE WERE GODS A Dunham Novel Release date: May 1, 2014]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Étienne’s ex-father-in-law: “I have faith in you, Étienne. You can fix anything. I would like to see my two favorite people together again. And <em>building</em>. You become gods when you build together.”</p>
<p>Oui. <em>Gods</em>. They most certainly had been.</p>
<p>Once.</p>
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<div class="center"><span style="font-size:1.25em;"><strong>WE WERE GODS</strong></span><br />
<em>A Dunham Novel</em><br />
Release date: <strong>May 1, 2014</strong></div>
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		<title>Being honest with your fellow man</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Sep 2013 23:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jennie Hansen is a respected reviewer/writer in Mormon fiction. She reviews at Meridian Magazine and (I believe) is a judge for the Whitney Awards. She is also a LIAR. [link] I have been very unhappily mostly silent about this for two years now, but one of her latest blog posts, “A Reviewer’s Confession,” has me [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://notesfromjenniesdesk.blogspot.com/">Jennie Hansen</a> is a respected reviewer/writer in Mormon fiction. She reviews at <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120630111713/http://www.ldsmag.com/author/jennie-hansen" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em>Meridian Magazine</em></a> and (I believe) is a judge for the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20101123064339/http://whitneyawards.com/wordpress/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Whitney Awards</a>.</p>
<p>She is also a <span class="big135"><span class="blue"><strong>LIAR</strong></span></span>.<span id="more-5400"></span></p>
<div class="center"><figure id="attachment_16125" aria-describedby="caption-attachment-16125" style="width: 599px" class="wp-caption aligncenter"><img decoding="async" class="size-full wp-image-16125" src="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/20130910_hansengr.jpg" alt="Review of my book MAGDALENE by Jennie Hansen. Text: “Disjointed, sloppy writing. Lacks real knowledge of Mormons and leadership in the Church. Too much vulgarity for vulgarities [sic] sake makes this story crude and amateurish.”" width="599" height="280"><figcaption id="caption-attachment-16125" class="wp-caption-text">Check your punctuation.</figcaption></figure><a href="https://www.goodreads.com/review/show/197927736" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><br />
[link]</a></div>
<p>I have been very unhappily mostly silent about this for two years now, but one of her latest blog posts, “<a href="http://notesfromjenniesdesk.blogspot.com/2013/08/a-reviewers-confession.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">A Reviewer’s Confession</a>,” has me seeing red and I&#8217;ll be damned if I sit silent any longer.</p>
<p>In this confession, she said:</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>Only once did I give a book a one star rating and that was because the language was filthy and <span class="blue"><strong>the author hadn’t researched LDS policy</strong></span>. (The author came unglued over my rating!)</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, Jennie. Honey. You haven’t seen unglued yet.</p>
<p>Why? Because you gave me that rating not actually having read the book. How do I know this? Because this:</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>the author hadn’t researched LDS policy</p></blockquote>
<p>is patently untrue.</p>
<p>If you had read <em><strong>past the one-page prologue </strong></em>you would know that.</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>My journalism training had qualified me as a critic …</p></blockquote>
<p>Apparently you didn’t learn how to check your facts (or other reviews) before opening your mouth.</p>
<p>You also probably don’t grok that part of the temple recommend interview where the bishop asks you if you’ve been honest with your fellow man. Or else you were honest and you don’t have a temple recommend.</p>
<p>I don’t know if you were part of the judging panel for the Whitney Award committee or not, but if you were, that adds another layer of fraud to your pattern of behavior for this book—and is the catalyst for my having come unglued at your “review.”</p>
<p>You lied about reading my book.</p>
<p>In church vernacular, then, I challenge you to:</p>
<p>1) actually read the book and rescind your lie</p>
<p>OR</p>
<p>2) declare publicly that you read the entirety of <i>Magdalene</i>. Anywhere will do: your blog, Goodreads, my blog, Meridian magazine.</p>
<p>But before you attempt #2, I want to direct your attention to <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Scott Hales’s review</span> [dead link] (he who is also a respected scholar of Mormon literature), the <a href="http://www.the-exponent.com/book-review-magdalene-by-moriah-jovan/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Exponent II review</a>, and the <a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-9817696-5-3" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Publisher’s Weekly review</a>, all of which refute your claim that I did not research church policy.</p>
<p>You lied about reading that book, Jennie. That by itself is dishonorable and worthy of contempt. If you were assigned to read it for the Whitneys, you also tarnished the integrity of the awards.</p>
<p>Own it and confess.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2012 01:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For an author, a Publisher’s Weekly starred review is one of the holy grails of reviews. It’s one of those things that, for a writer, is right up there with The Call (“Hi, Mojo. I want to offer you a contract for your book.”). I’ve had pretty close brushes with getting The Call, which (three [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For an author, a <em>Publisher’s Weekly</em> starred review is one of the holy grails of reviews. It’s one of those things that, for a writer, is right up there with The Call (“Hi, Mojo. I want to offer you a contract for your book.”). I’ve had pretty close brushes with getting The Call, which (three times, to be precise) ended up to be “I love this book and I want to buy it, but I can’t because of Freak Things 1, 2, and/or 3.” What I have never <em>dared</em> aspire to (especially once I started down the self-pub path) is a review in <em>Publisher’s Weekly</em> at all, much less a starred one. But then Tuesday, this happened:<span id="more-5167"></span></p>
<div class="center"><a href="http://www.publishersweekly.com/978-0-9817696-5-3" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class=" wp-image-16111 aligncenter" src="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/20120906_magreview.jpg" alt="Review of my novel MAGDALENE in PUBLISHER’S WEEKLY. Text: “STAR. Jovan’s explosive saga about the lives, loves, and deeds of a group of powerful Mormons continues in her outstanding third Dunham novel (after Stay and The Proviso). Kindly Mormon bishop Mitch Hollander, while reorganizing a merger between his steel company and a manufacturer that occurred under perilous circumstances, meets brash and brilliant Cassie St. James, one of Wall Street’s toughest strategists and a former prostitute. Their immediate attraction is just as strong as the gulf between Cassie’s ruthless attitude toward sex and Mitch’s LDS morals, which include no sex outside marriage. Meanwhile, Mitch’s scheming subordinate in the church hierarchy, Greg Sitkaris, whom he’s trying to have arrested for embezzlement, threatens everything Mitch holds dear, including Cassie and Mitch’s flock. Filled with nuanced, unforgettable characters and keen insights into Mormon faith and culture, this is a thrilling, romantic page-turner with a sense of optimism that never comes across as forced or cloying. Like the Left Behind series, the Tales of Dunham have great cross-over potential. (Apr. 2011)" width="700" height="853"></a></div>
<p>And you know what? I’m kinda proud because I had some goals with this book and, at least for this reviewer, I hit some of them. Later I received an email from the senior editor of reviews at PW passing along some more remarks the reviewer made, which made me believe that I accomplished almost all of my goals with the book.</p>
<p>But there is one I want to talk about because it’s not one that’s obvious. And it’s not obvious because I set this challenge for my own benefit, not for the reader’s.</p>
<p>In 2008, my editor for <em>Monsters &amp; Mormons</em>, Wm Morris, wrote this piece at A Motley Vision (a Mormon lit blog): <a href="http://www.motleyvision.org/2008/stephanie-meyers-mormonism-and-the-erotics-of-abstinence/">“Stephenie Meyer’s Mormonism and the ‘erotics of abstinence.’”</a> <em>The erotics of abstinence.</em> Well, that’s an intriguing little idea. He was springboarding from this <em>Time</em> piece: <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20121121203210/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1734838,00.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">“Stephenie Meyer: A New J.K. Rowling?”</a>, wherein the author says this:</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>But it is the rare vampire novel that isn’t about sex on some level, and the <em>Twilight</em> books are no exception. What makes Meyer’s books so distinctive is that they’re about the <strong>erotics of abstinence</strong>. Their tension comes from prolonged, superhuman acts of self-restraint. There’s a scene midway through Twilight in which, for the first time, Edward leans in close and sniffs the aroma of Bella’s exposed neck. “Just because I’m resisting the wine doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate the bouquet,” he says. “You have a very floral smell, like lavender … or freesia.” He barely touches her, but there’s more sex in that one paragraph than in all the snogging in Harry Potter.</p></blockquote>
<p>I, like Wm (and pretty much everybody else who read the book), was intrigued by that idea.</p>
<p>In 2008, Mitch and Cassie were a bare glimmer in my mind. I had mentioned Mitch’s name a couple of times in <em>The Proviso</em> with absolutely no intention of following up on that. Cassie didn’t even exist when I wrote <a href="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/thebooks/magdalene/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">the sketch with a nameless unreliable and unlikeable narrator</a> in the style of <a href="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/stories-essays/snuff/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">“Snuff.”</a> I like to do those sometimes, usually because something catches my attention and I’m restless and haven’t written for a while and though I only have a few words in me, they must come out. That 250-word monologue was in my head when I started thinking about Mitch’s role in Sebastian’s life. The two disparate ideas simply wound in and around each other like different streams of smoke drifting on the same breeze, tickling my mind with vague possibilities.</p>
<p>I was still in the planning stages of <em>Magdalene</em>, trying to figure out if I would or would not have my bishop succumb to temptation. I will tell you: I didn’t want him to, because that wasn’t who he was and besides that, I’d already gone down that road with Giselle. But how was I going to do this? I didn’t think I could write sexual tension, didn’t think I could carry abstinence too far and still make it seem legitimate. (We Mormons have all sorts of ways to justify our celibacy, but nobody outside our culture buys a word of it.)</p>
<p>Then I stumbled upon the “erotics of abstinence.” Stephenie Meyer had to go to paranormal lengths to justify abstinence until marriage. I don’t write paranormal, so I didn’t want to do that. She also had teenagers, which is its own justification. I don’t write teenagers, so that was out of the question.</p>
<p>I wanted to do that. With adults. Who weren’t vegetarian vampires. Plausibly.</p>
<p>I wanted to do it <em>better</em>.</p>
<p>So I did.</p>
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		<title>Look at me! Look at me!</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2012 05:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[[07/15/2025: This’ll teach me to use an embed plugin instead of screenshots, and also not to put in the text.]] So this morning around 10:13 a.m., I read a piece in HuffPo about a possible alternative chronology to the New Testament that puts a new spin on things. I thought it was an interesting concept. [&#8230;]]]></description>
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<p>So this morning around 10:13 a.m., I read <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/marcus-borg/a-chronological-new-testament_b_1823018.html" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">a piece in HuffPo</a> about a possible alternative chronology to the New Testament that puts a new spin on things. I thought it was an interesting concept. I RTd the link, though I forgot from whom I lifted it.<span id="more-5165"></span></p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="size-full wp-image-16110 aligncenter" src="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/20120901_tweet01.jpg" alt="A tweet from me, @MoriahJovan. Text: “Reading the New Testament chronologically: ow.ly/dnpJq VERY INTERESTING (can't recall who tweeted this--sorry!)”" width="595" height="175"></p>
<p>My friend replied: [deleted tweet]</p>
<p>Another friend replied: [deleted tweet]</p>
<p>We had a nice little chat about that that lasted all of about 1/2 hour. Then I had to go do grownup things like work and take care of the gas leak I had and arrange for a plumber and new water heater.</p>
<p>And then this guy shows up <em>six hours later</em>: [deleted tweet]</p>
<p>And that’s where he started the fight without bothering to ask us to define our terms first. (First rule of Twitter when butting into a convo you want to involve yourself in: ask for clarification from the participants first. You’ll probably get a nice response and a welcome to the convo so long as you can keep it civil, even if you disagree.) Regrettably, we engaged for about three tweets each before we figured out he had no home training and blocked him.</p>
<p>But before I did, I did a little preliminary snoopage, as per SOP when strangers with an attitude butt into my convo six hours after said convo has been put to bed. <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120615161022/http://matthewreeves.wordpress.com/about/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Matthew Reeves</a> is 20. He writes YA. How sweet of him. How … 20 years old of him.</p>
<p>I was 20 once. It was a nice year. I had fun. And yeah, I thought I knew everything, too.</p>
<p>So! He’s blocked and I go back to harrassing @mikecane, as per usual, interspersed with some time spent making my son do manual labor, and Matthew Reeves continues to rant at us, but who cares, right? Because we can’t see it and there are soooo many more interesting people on Twitter who really <em>can</em> school us on something.</p>
<p>But apparently Matthew Reeves needs to broadcast his point of view to the world, so without further ado, and because I’m occasionally a nice mommy to my own know-it-all son, I’m going to assist him in this endeavor:</p>
<p><span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Dude, I’m A Historian (but not in the subject being discussed)</span>. [dead link]</p>
<p>Bless his heart, picking a fight with two people he doesn’t know who are old enough to have shot him out of our vaginas, and is now mad because we won’t pay him any mind. Precious. Just precious.</p>
<p>And now he’s disillusioned: [deleted tweet]</p>
<p>Sadness.</p>
<p>Go away, kid. Ya bother me.</p>
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		<title>I am god</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Mar 2010 17:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a lot of fun with my imaginary friends, thinking of them as if they’re real, telling my tax deductions about mommy’s imaginary friends and laughing about what they do with Dude, talking about them to other writers who like to talk about what their imaginary friends do, too. We talk about them as [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a lot of fun with my imaginary friends, thinking of them as if they’re real, telling my tax deductions about mommy’s imaginary friends and laughing about what they do with Dude, talking about them to other writers who like to talk about what their imaginary friends do, too.</p>
<p>We talk about them as if we have no control over them, as if they’re driving the train. In a <a href="http://juliew8.com/life-in-general/book-review-stay-by-moriah-jovan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">review of <em>Stay</em></a>, reviewer Julie Weight said,</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>When you read Jovan’s books, you just <strong>know</strong> these characters are like real people to her. She knows them like she knows her own family. Actually, she knows them better than her own family, since she knows their motives and what they’re thinking. If you get her talking about them, you’ll forget that they are just the imaginary people who live in her head. She makes them real, however and wherever she presents them. And because of that, she also agonizes over their lives – to the point where <strong>sometimes it seems like she forgets that <em>she’s</em> the one in charge of their lives!</strong> All of this familiarity and love for these people comes out in the writing and the story. Because <strong>she</strong> believes in them, you will start to believe in them. She writes the characters and the stories so well that you, the reader, will become wrapped up in their lives and care deeply about what is going to happen to them.</p>
<div class="top10"><span class="cat"><span class="small85">Emphasis mine.</span></span></div>
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<p>Here’s the thing: All that’s true. It’s really the subconscious doing the heavy lifting—we all know this. We let it do its thing and we talk to our imaginary friends and let them dictate their lives to us because we are their scribes, but …</p>
<p>Then they stop talking.</p>
<p>What do you do then?</p>
<p>I didn’t realize that this can get into scary territory until I was talking to another n00bish writer who speaks in the “Character X told me to do this” vernacular. It’s cute. I like knowing I’m not the only crazy person on the planet.</p>
<p>Then I realized … He wasn’t taking any responsibility for the words on the page, and it drew me up sharp. He didn’t know what to do when his characters/subconscious stopped. He didn’t have any confidence in the work of the conscious mind. Worse, he wasn’t sure it was even necessary to employ the conscious mind (i.e., himself) because he had himself convinced he couldn’t write without channeling the imaginary friends and taking their dictation.</p>
<p>My subconscious comes up with some <em>amazing</em> shit. Seriously amazing. Stuff my conscious mind would have had to work for decades to come up with. People are amazed when I say I don’t outline, but I don’t. At least, not in any recognizable fashion and certainly not the way I was taught in fifth grade. (I always had to write the paper first and backward engineer the outline; it was a pain.) Things tie together in ways I don’t know how it happens, and I seem to write by serendipity. It seems <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_writing" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">automatic</a>.</p>
<p>But then the free-flow stops.</p>
<p>At some point, the writer has to take responsibility for who these people are, what they do, what they say, how the story winds out. It’s all fun and games while the subconscious is doing its thing and the writer can pretend these people are real and are simply giving dictation.</p>
<p>But the subconscious is notoriously unreliable and sporadic. What do you do when it takes a break and you can’t?</p>
<p>You start putting words down on paper.</p>
<p>Conscious words, words you choose and arrange, laboriously.</p>
<p>You take responsibility for those words.</p>
<p>And for all the ones you wrote when you were taking dictation, because it doesn’t matter that nobody knows how the subconscious works, what you wrote is still from you.</p>
<p><strong><em>All</em></strong> you.</p>
<p>There are no imaginary friends.</p>
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		<title>Convergence</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve been pondering a weighty topic for the last week or so, wondering why a couple of Christian concepts seem to be mutually exclusive, and, moreover, how shall I reconcile those? No, I’m not telling you what they are. I ran across a passage in a book that spoke to my questions (although didn’t answer [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been pondering a weighty topic for the last week or so, wondering why a couple of Christian concepts seem to be mutually exclusive, and, moreover, how shall <strong><em>I</em></strong> reconcile those?</p>
<p>No, I’m not telling you what they are. I ran across a passage in a book that spoke to my questions (although didn’t answer them, precisely). So I’m just going to post the passage. Character names are left out, as I want it to stand on its own without any preconceived notions.</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>[The man] smiled. “What does this look like to you, Miss [ … ]?” He pointed around the room.</p>
<p>“This?” She laughed suddenly, looking at the faces of the men against the golden sunburst of rays filling the great windows. “This looks like … You know, I never hoped to see any of you again, I wondered at times how much I’d give for just one more glimpse or one more word—and now—now this is like that dream you imagine in childhood, when you think that some day, in heaven, you will see those great departed whom you had not seen on earth, and you choose, from all the past centuries, the great men you would like to meet.”</p>
<p>[ … ]</p>
<p>“Ask yourself whether the dream of heaven and greatness should be left waiting for us in our graves—or whether it should be ours here and now and on this earth.”</p>
<p>“I know,” she whispered.</p>
<p>“And if you met those great men in heaven,” asked [another], “what would you want to say to them?”</p>
<p>“Just … just ‘hello,’ I guess.”</p>
<p>“That’s not all,” said [he]. “There’s something you’d want to hear from them. I didn’t know it, either, until I saw him for the first time” —he pointed to [a third man]— &#8220;and he said it to me, and then I knew what it was that I had missed all my life. Miss [ … ], you’d want them to look at you and to say, ‘Well done.’”</p></blockquote>
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		<title>The parable of the ten virgins</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So for those of you not up on your New Testament or Christianity or Jesus or anything like that, our micro Sunday school lesson text comes from Matthew 25:1-12. Ten virgins are going to a wedding and they bring their little oil lamps for light. Five of the virgins bring extra oil and the other [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So for those of you not up on your New Testament or Christianity or Jesus or anything like that, our micro Sunday school lesson text comes from <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/25/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Matthew 25:1-12</a>.</p>
<p>Ten virgins are going to a wedding and they bring their little oil lamps for light. Five of the virgins bring extra oil and the other five virgins only have enough to last the ceremony and go home. Well, the groom’s late (viz. &#8220;While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.” v.5) and everybody runs out the oil in their lamps, but the ones who brought extra oil refill their lamps and are allowed into the wedding. But because the bouncer can’t see the others in the dark, he doesn’t let them in because he doesn’t know if they’re invited or not.</p>
<p>The moral of the story is obvious: Be prepared.</p>
<p>And, more specifically doctrinally related: Be prepared for the coming of the Lord.</p>
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<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter wp-image-16043" src="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/20090604_tenvirgins.jpg" alt="A depiction of the 10 virgins in period dress. From left to right, they are portrayed in darkening hues, virtue to vice." width="351" height="178"></p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>(Please note that the beautiful illustration by Gayla Prince portrays <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20090412154135/http://www.theideadoor.com/RS/ten_virgins.htm#The_Ten_Virgins_presentation" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">the ladies with extra oil as virtue and the ladies without extra oil as vice</a>.)</p></blockquote>
<p>Tonight I’m watching TV (*gasp*) and a commercial comes on that leads me down several pathways strewn with stones to trip over and pretty pansies to admire before I get to an observation I’ve never heard anyone voice and completely takes me by surprise:</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>The bridegroom was a bastard for not showing up on time and then punishing the ones who didn’t anticipate his assholishness.</p></blockquote>
<p>Obviously I can’t know what Christ really taught because the Bible’s a mess and a half anyway, but the parable as it’s translated really doesn’t hold up as an analogy for your basic Christian theology. Why?</p>
<p>Because Christians are taught that Christ <em>is</em> going to return; you just don’t know <em>when</em>, so mind your Ps and Qs.</p>
<p>In the case of this bridegroom, he was expected at a certain time. The five virgins who didn’t have extra oil had no reason to expect that the bridegroom would “tarry,” so they had no reason to prepare. Further, casting them as “vice” because they had a reasonable expectation that the meeting time would be honored is just wrong.</p>
<p>Tell you what, though. If I’d gone to a wedding and had to wait so long for the groom to show up that I ended up having a good nap out of the deal, I’d’a said, “Fuck it” and gone home while I still had oil in my lamp.</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 05:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In my work in progress, Magdalene (#3 in the Dunham series), the non-Mormon heroine, Cassie, wants to ambush the (widowed) Mormon bishop hero, Mitch, at church. They’ve been dating (excruciatingly chastely) for 5 months and she is thoroughly bewildered as to why he hasn’t invited her to attend (not to mention more than a little [&#8230;]]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my work in progress, <a href="https://moriahjovan.com/talesofdunham/extras/vignettes-outtakes/confessions/" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"><em>Magdalene</em></a> (#3 in the Dunham series), the non-Mormon heroine, Cassie, wants to ambush the (widowed) Mormon bishop hero, Mitch, at church.  They’ve been dating (<em>excruciatingly</em> chastely) for 5 months and she is thoroughly bewildered as to why he hasn’t invited her to attend (not to mention more than a little peeved that she hasn’t been able to seduce him).  Not that she wants to go to church, mind, much less join; she just had the idea that we were all about acquiring converts—which is a completely reasonable and wholly correct assumption.</p>
<p>Since Mitch lives in the heart of the steel belt and she lives in Manhattan, she has quite a bit of trouble figuring out which ward he oversees, where to go, and what time to be there.  Thus, she turns to Mitch’s best friend, who left the church halfway through his mission and is a professed and semi-practicing pagan.  He gives her the procedural rundown and says,</p>
<blockquote class="normal"><p>“The more you understand about our culture, the better you’ll understand Mitch.”</p>
<p>“<em>Our</em> culture?”</p>
<p>“Well, yeah. Mine, too. You don’t stop being a Jew just because you convert to Christianity.”</p>
<p>“That’s genetic.”</p>
<p>“With us, it might as well be.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I live in a place that’s rich with Mormon history, so, like any native, I take it for granted.  I don’t feel any sense of heritage when I go to Utah (which state I avoid like the plague).  It’s in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauvoo,_Illinois" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Nauvoo, Illinois</a>, where I feel this connection to my heritage; every time I go, I find my cynicism and willingness to snipe seeping out of my soul, leaving a refreshing softness and wistful smiles.  And, well, I got married in Nauvoo.  That might have something to do with it.</p>
<p>So I took some pictures when we were there in August for my cousin’s wedding.  Enjoy.</p>
<div class="footnotes">______________________________</p>
<p class="footnote">*&nbsp;&nbsp;There’s a saying about a portion of folks who identify as ex-Mormon or recovering Mormon (yes, there is a 12-step group for it):  You can leave the church, but you can’t leave it alone.</p>
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